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Abedeus · Mar 23, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

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first they have done repeated testing on the closed servers and everybody from the top down says no.

second is a much earlier post from one of your very own super farmers.

he/she stated they would very happily trade all four henchies for ONE ADDITIONAL HERO and give them a party of 5 to get all 8 exempted list drops split 5 ways instead of 8.

they stated they could do far more much more efficiently with only one more hero so.............

IMAGINE ADDING 4 MORE INSTEAD OF ONE MORE

Gaile said right at the very start it was a full team decision on proven fact testing not your greedy guessing (GG mine not Gaile)

you wont get it

will you?

No idea what you said. You mean that A.Net has testers that want 6x ursan + 2x monk and don't want something that 80% of community wants, that is 7 heroes? Because it's UNBALANCED? I lol'd.

Btw, A.Net knows that skill > time is much better in other games? Diablo 2 - you won't be able to get past lvl 80 if you screwed your char or don't know what eq to get. WoW - you can't do high-level instances if you don't have skill. Ragnarok Online - try to get past lvl 60 with crappy character, without leeching :] Hell, even Fury buttonmasher requires more skill.

English Warrior · Mar 23, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

I agree we should have 7 heroes but think anything could be done with 7 heroes fow/uw doa it would make everything even easier than ursan already does face it this wont be implented.

Bryant Again · Mar 23, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Loviatar, if ANet knows precisely what's perfect and good and awesome for the game, why the hell would they add something like UB?

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

People can ALREADY have 1 player and 6 heros, in case you didn't realize that. Join with second account, add heros, leave with second account.

You don't even need a second account. Just get a buddy to group with you and leave after you zone.

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Originally Posted by Leeds

I agree we should have 7 heroes but think anything could be done with 7 heroes fow/uw doa it would make everything even easier than ursan already does face it this wont be implented.

1 Human + 7 Heroes = 3 PvE skills and actual builds

8 Humans = 24 PvE skills or Ursan Blessing

How on earth would the former be easier?

Hugh Manatee · Mar 24, 2008, 06:45 AM // 06:45

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

How on earth would the former be easier?

A: I wouldn't have to spend several hours grinding up to R10 ursan to appease rank discriminating pugs(read the progression of the ursan abilities, with more then 3 the difference in a R5 and r10 is insignificant)

B: I wouldn't have to waste time with AFK or leeching douches.

C: I could just set up my party and go, no sitting in a town spamming for a group or forming, reforming, watching pugs join and drop.

D: The Artificial Intelligence has Intelligence, it does what I say, when I say, doesn't backtalk or screw around. Won't insult the koreans, homosexuals or black people, won't offend my eyes with poor web grammar, won't CTRL+click spam the chat box a million times. The only thing, and I mean only thing that AI can't do better then humes is get out of intense AoE(you have to do that for them, and I kinda would like a scatter option, like say I click the cancel flag button twice, but thats another topic), and maybe they make a few silly decisions with certain skills. Everything else they are better.

I'd almost concur with the 7 heroes would be broken, because I KNOW I could kick the games ass inside out with them instead of humes because the average hume you pick up has rotten cheese for brains(IE ranger primaries with oath shot, meteor and meteor shower, or monks with pets and bows), anet knows this. I love the norn blessings because it gives these screw heads a fool proof bar that any idiot could use. I could get to the FoW/uw chests in about 2 hours or less with a full hench party if they let me, a few farmers going in there could clean those places out, send the heroes away, loot the reward chests and come out rich. If they aren't going to allow 7 heroes, put elite henchmen that you can take into the elite missions. Like the Zaishens in the tombs, make it so they can't leave the zone and only enter the elite missions. As the games popularity dwindles these zones will eventually become deserted, what then?

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 24, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

I'm mildly tempted to start joining PUGs but to carry on my normal Gw activities (xfire chat, frequent alt+tabbing into Firefox or other games while waiting AFK) while doing it, just to give a big slap to the people whining that heroes kill PUGs and to show just how unimportant I feel PUGs are.

Tyla · Mar 24, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Hugh -- PuGs are bad.
It wouldn't make it easier, it would make it less grindy.
There is a HUGE difference between repetetive, easy grind and actually playing.

This entire '7 Heroes will make it easier' logic is flawed, infact, BEYOND flawed.

Default Name · Mar 24, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Seven heroes make things more fun. By a lot.

Balance?

Balance in PVE is priority #103485 ever since universal-soldier-grade-steroids and Skills of Mass Destruction were introduced into the game anyway.

Grasping Darkness · Mar 24, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

There should be 7 heroes in every part of the game so I don't have to play with you. When I bought the game it said on the box "Internet connection required to play". It didn't say you must endure the pain of interacting with others to fully participate in the game. Many of us don't like the majority of other people in the game. Why should I have to endure looking like a failure in game because you are? Why should I have to deal with you at all? The idea that anet forces players to interact with other players in game to fully participate in the games activities is horrible fail logic by anet which is trying to change peoples mentalities which is never going to happen.

BlackSephir · Mar 24, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

There should be 7 heroes in every part of the game so I don't have to play with you. When I bought the game it said on the box "Internet connection required to play". It didn't say you must endure the pain of interacting with others to fully participate in the game. Many of us don't like the majority of other people in the game. Why should I have to endure looking like a failure in game because you are? Why should I have to deal with you at all? The idea that anet forces players to interact with other players in game to fully participate in the games activities is horrible fail logic by anet which is trying to change peoples mentalities which is never going to happen.

<3. I like the way you think.

Dravyn · Mar 24, 2008, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Wow, I read this whole thread.

And like many other said before me, no matter how many heroes are or aren't available, I still won't PuG, for many of the reasons listed already, so the idea of additional heroes killing PuG's is absurd.

And for Lovwhatever, if 1000 players are presented with an issue, and 100 respond, those 100 are your vocal constituent, and if 78 of those 100 are in favor, they are your vocal majority. Not too hard to figure out.

Haven't really seen a good argument against having additional heroes available in all 46 pages and 829 posts.

Numa Pompilius · Mar 24, 2008, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

In her latest chat Gaile said:

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...48#post5305948

Just FYI guys: when ANet speaks of "balance" they mean PvP.
Actually to be precise they speak of GvG.

Given that response I don't think they've quite understood the question. They apparently think they were asked about bringing 7 heroes into TA or GvG.

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 24, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29

I'd run

P/W
P/Rt
D/W
D/N
R/Rt
N/E
Mo/E

Never lose PvE again.

Ctb · Mar 24, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

I wouldn't mind 7 heroes being an unlock along with Hard Mode on a campaign-by-campaign basis, with the same H/H restrictions we already have on higher end areas.

It wouldn't be very useful for farming since they suck up drops the same as human players and can't use Ursan, which most human players do. It would just reduce the time c-spacing through more tedious parts of the game I already beat without them, and it would give me something useful to do with the tons of Vitae/Attunement/Radiant/Survivor runes and insignias I'm building up in storage

Smilin' Assassin · Mar 24, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

aww what would the GW storyline be like without Mhenlo, Eve and Cynn~?!

and who doesn't love Little Thom~!?

I'd much rather see improved henchie AI/skillsets, and even a little tinkering to their bars in specific outposts, so they can be more useful to the mission at hand ..

pamelf · Mar 25, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Just FYI guys: when ANet speaks of "balance" they mean PvP.
Actually to be precise they speak of GvG.

Given that response I don't think they've quite understood the question. They apparently think they were asked about bringing 7 heroes into TA or GvG.

QFT. As far as I know most of us only want 7 heroes for PVE or did I miss something in the conversation thus far?

Mavrik · Mar 25, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

There should be 7 heroes in every part of the game so I don't have to play with you. When I bought the game it said on the box "Internet connection required to play". It didn't say you must endure the pain of interacting with others to fully participate in the game. Many of us don't like the majority of other people in the game. Why should I have to endure looking like a failure in game because you are? Why should I have to deal with you at all? The idea that anet forces players to interact with other players in game to fully participate in the games activities is horrible fail logic by anet which is trying to change peoples mentalities which is never going to happen.

I gotta quote this for the truth that it is.

RedNova88 · Mar 25, 2008, 06:17 AM // 06:17

^Troll is trolling^(Default name)

Please pay no attention to him we don't need this thread locked but it's probably heading that way.
EDIT: Doesn't matter who started it, you're contributing to the problem at any rate.

On topic, once again I'll say that I'd love 7 heroes and have yet to hear a logical reason as to why the answer is still no. They give us so many heroes, and yet we use so few. I mean, I'd love to use some of my other heroes, most don't even have runes on them because I used them in the one mission that I got them and then they never saw daylight again unless I was forced to bring them out for storyline purposes.

Isileth · Mar 25, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

Hopefully the mods will just delete that little flame war right there.

Afterall this is the main thread on 7 heroes and all the others got closed and people told to post in here. So it makes sense to keep this one up.

Bryant Again · Mar 25, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

This is probably one of the most longest standing threads that isn't something like "Post your XYZ Drops/Whatever!"

That said, I'll add that "screen clutter" is no longer an issue thanks due the new hotkeys.

bhavv · Mar 25, 2008, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Dont mention the hotkeys :O

The hero haters will complain that they dont have 52 free keys on their keyboard to bind to every hero skill!